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Simarillion


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Well, before starting with a few ideas about how to divide industry and commerce I thought it would be nice to have a couple of numbers (don't we love'em all?). So I went down (read: sent down the librarian...) into some hidden chamber to get a few documents. A couple exist only in french or latin so I'll post the translations during the next days. They range from simple statistical data to fairly accurate numbers and descriptions of rural and urban inventions, planning and society. This might give us an idea of how the european continent looked like and how it evolved during the middle-ages.
There are a couple of things that one takes for granted, but which didn't actually exist and others one might be tempted to forget (e.g: basically a lot of 'industry' depended to some degree on the power of water).

Surface cultivated per inhabitant (ca. 1200): 3 hectar
Watermills in use in England (ca.1050):  5.624
Number of watermils within the domain of the monastery St. Germain-des-Pres around 850-900:  59
Cluniacensian Monasteries build between 900 and 1100:  ca. 1.400
Cistercensian Monasteries build between 1100 and 1300:  742
Houses of the Templars at the beginning of the 13th:  ca. 9.000
Cathedrals and large Churches constructed in France between 1050 and 1350: 80 + 500
Number of churches in Sussex and Kent around 1100: ca. 1.500
Number of inhabitants per church: ca. 200
Universities founded between 1100 and 1300:  ca. 80
Public Baths in Paris beginnig of 12th:  32



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documents in latin, from the basement of a library, to be translated... very exotic; this is sounding like bad fiction. wink.gif

I am grateful for your efforts. I'm glad to see that you can tell I am taking this seriously.
This game will be quite different to SC4 and one big change will be in population density (although in the urban environments I think it's important to still be able to grow well beyond the numbers of most cities of the time. If you want to...) I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

Your "power of water" comment is interesting... It seems life was extremely tied to watercourses. What did they do where there were no rivers?

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Of course I believe you're taking this seriously, otherwise I wouldn't be wasting my time here smile. What I've seen so far is way too advanced to be just your passtime.

As for the basement, it's not quite a bad fiction, more like a dream (or nightmare cry).
A friend of mine happens to be senior librarian of the 'Università Cattolica del Sacro Cuore' here in Milan, the most prestigious catholic University in Europe. And asking him for information about the middle-ages is like asking your local hardware-store for a screw. You just don't know what you end up with, but you can be sure it will be a screw...




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wow, cool. Well I'm in good company. That said I am a little wary of being bogged down by TOO much information (all those web links... yikes). So I am trusting you to be an intermediary editor of sorts (which I guess you'll have to be as you're hardly going to be translating whole books from latin). wink.gif

What I need more than anything are pctures, diagrams, maps etc. But I am loving the story line so far, and am more than curious to see what these french & latin texts reveal... smile.gif

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Simarillion wrote:

What I've seen so far is way too advanced to be just your passtime.

 


That's where I'll have to disagree with you I'm afraid. wink.gif This is just a hobby; it just happens to be a hobby I quite like. It's also proving to be quite a valuable history lesson.



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Then let me, poor stranger that I am no , rephrase.
I meant that it looked too advanced to be something that you use only to kill time with, without being serious. Obviously SC4 has always been just a hobby for all of us.

Anyway, sorry guys for the 4 goals we gave you. It happens to be a tradition that the first game of the tournament ends badly. In 2002 the Saudis went down 8-0, if that's a consolation...smile


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that's OK, hang on, I thought you were from you from Italy?

Soccer (as we call it), is still a relatively young sport here in Australia (excuses, excuses). Still, it's not quite over yet. wink.gif

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biggrin You're partially right, I am IN Italy. But as far as nationality goes, I'm still German (hey, it's not my fault, is it?) smile
In the end you guys didn't play all that bad and I'm sure you'll make it (again) to the next round.

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I missed the first match but will catch the next one. I unashamedly only watch soccer/football during the world cup IF Australia is playing. I'm traditionally an Aussie Rules Football fan but honestly have only turned my television on once in the last 6 months. (I actually am a comedy buff, and now have well over a TB of it on the computer. As a result I don't need TV anymorewink.gif)

Where in Germany did you grow up?

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Nice to see that I'm not the only one around left behind by the Stone Age. wink
I moved into this place last Novembre, but plugged the telly in just in time for the first match. biggrin Comedy isn't really my thing, haven't seen anything funny ever since Monty Python...

Somehow I never warmed to Aussie Rules, but during my time in the UK I fell in in love with Rugby and, would you believe it, Cricket. I actually had the Rugby rules explained to me by an Aussie and a South African during the World Cup in 1995.

I grew up in a small town way up north (BTW, it's the first of the aerials smile). The whole area (another 2 zooms back) is made up of 2 towns and 31 villages (just like 900 years ago) and today counts roughly 50.000 inhabitants.

Where in Oz are you from? And what do you do for a living?

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I grew up in Mclaren Vale (wine region), and now live in Adelaide. Well I'm no quite sure; this year I've been at uni but my attention has been elsewhere (long story - dad died, depression, drug addiction, medication, feeling better wink.gif), and am now investigating other options. One candidate is joining my friend doing TEFL in Japan... But this project will follow me wherever I end up. But having never left Australia, I am starting to get pretty keen to venture.
I have primarily been a musician, but it's yet to provide a living. I am 30, and I'm only getting started. I play a number of things but am a professional level harmonica player (a great German instrument btwsmile.gif). Unfortunately there isn't too much call for harmonica players in Adelaide; possibly another reason to be stretching my wings.

Anyway...

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And now, after way tooo many photos for one day, back to our favourites. Numbers!!! biggrin

Dates of inventions (usefull or just curious):

861: Malt mills (for BEER)
end of 9th: lateral attachments for use of horses in tandem formation
990: foundation of the School of Chartres
990: hemp mills
10th: heavy plow with wheels
1008: fulling mills
1038: mills for tanning of hides
1100: distillation of Alcohol (60°)
1180: windmills
1197: iron mills
end of 12th: watermills 'from above'
beginning of 13th: introduction of arab numbers
1204: buttons for clothes
1209-1215: foundation of Valenza, Oxford and Paris Universities
1240: saw mills


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